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	<title>Comments on: 又到12月27日</title>
	<link>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223</link>
	<description>软禁、跟踪与被软禁、被跟踪，谁更不自由？</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 06:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: 齐鲁青未了</title>
		<link>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>齐鲁青未了</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timbatu, what else did you post on the BBC forum before they banned you? DId you use profanities? Did you attack the personal character of those who disagreed with you, throwing epithets such as "whore" around as if it was a-dime-a-dozen?

The reason I ask is that I see a lot of personal attacks, using gutter language, from users claiming to be from China, on many Western forums including Youtube.  It besmirches the reputation of Chinese internet users as a whole.

To be fair, as China does not respect the freedom of speech for its own people, its people have had little practice in using that freedom responsibly.  For the basis of all rights is a moral obligation to use those rights with restraint, respect and tolerance.  Judging from your extravagant claim that China is freer than the West, you have not yet mastered  that ability.

As for Chinese music not being in demand in the UK, that has nothing to do with censorship and everything to do with demand.  I agree that the West has an attenuated cultural hegemony in the world today, but that hegemony is insidiously promoted through commercial channels and works in part because it appeals so well to certain preferences most people have for palatable, unchallenging entertainment.  

Moreover, much of that hegemony does include valuable cultural heritage.  Western classical music, for example, is truly among the crown jewels of all human civilization.  

A closed and oppressive system such as China, which banns and prosecutes its activists and artists, can never produce art that the people in freer societies would find valuable.  There is one splendid exception: the subversive art which lashes out against oppression and indicts it does find an audience overseas, hence the high prices some Chinese painters command in the art markets of New York and London.  But in your book they are traitors for exposing the oppression they live under. I personally find your logic rather baffling.  

照这种逻辑，当年鲁迅不该逃到日租界写杂文支持共产党，左派文人也不该躲在法租界办批判国民党专制的报纸，那统统都是里通外国，授人以柄，全都是汉奸！更别说孙中山了，他明明是美国人！</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timbatu, what else did you post on the BBC forum before they banned you? DId you use profanities? Did you attack the personal character of those who disagreed with you, throwing epithets such as &#8220;whore&#8221; around as if it was a-dime-a-dozen?</p>
<p>The reason I ask is that I see a lot of personal attacks, using gutter language, from users claiming to be from China, on many Western forums including Youtube.  It besmirches the reputation of Chinese internet users as a whole.</p>
<p>To be fair, as China does not respect the freedom of speech for its own people, its people have had little practice in using that freedom responsibly.  For the basis of all rights is a moral obligation to use those rights with restraint, respect and tolerance.  Judging from your extravagant claim that China is freer than the West, you have not yet mastered  that ability.</p>
<p>As for Chinese music not being in demand in the UK, that has nothing to do with censorship and everything to do with demand.  I agree that the West has an attenuated cultural hegemony in the world today, but that hegemony is insidiously promoted through commercial channels and works in part because it appeals so well to certain preferences most people have for palatable, unchallenging entertainment.  </p>
<p>Moreover, much of that hegemony does include valuable cultural heritage.  Western classical music, for example, is truly among the crown jewels of all human civilization.  </p>
<p>A closed and oppressive system such as China, which banns and prosecutes its activists and artists, can never produce art that the people in freer societies would find valuable.  There is one splendid exception: the subversive art which lashes out against oppression and indicts it does find an audience overseas, hence the high prices some Chinese painters command in the art markets of New York and London.  But in your book they are traitors for exposing the oppression they live under. I personally find your logic rather baffling.  </p>
<p>照这种逻辑，当年鲁迅不该逃到日租界写杂文支持共产党，左派文人也不该躲在法租界办批判国民党专制的报纸，那统统都是里通外国，授人以柄，全都是汉奸！更别说孙中山了，他明明是美国人！</p>
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		<title>By: Human Rights</title>
		<link>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-636</link>
		<dc:creator>Human Rights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-636</guid>
		<description>You are a puppet of the Christian West.

You have no support in China for you are a traitor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a puppet of the Christian West.</p>
<p>You have no support in China for you are a traitor.</p>
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		<title>By: Human Rights</title>
		<link>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-635</link>
		<dc:creator>Human Rights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-635</guid>
		<description>Amnesty International,

Has Israel violated human rights?

When Chinese police went to her own province to restore law with the explicit order banning any use of arms, EU expressed grave concerns for human rights. EU passed a text of condemnation.

Now, 3 days, half-a-thousand killed. Has EU said anything at all?

Is human rights a key value of the Christian West?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amnesty International,</p>
<p>Has Israel violated human rights?</p>
<p>When Chinese police went to her own province to restore law with the explicit order banning any use of arms, EU expressed grave concerns for human rights. EU passed a text of condemnation.</p>
<p>Now, 3 days, half-a-thousand killed. Has EU said anything at all?</p>
<p>Is human rights a key value of the Christian West?</p>
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		<title>By: Human Rights</title>
		<link>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Human Rights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-634</guid>
		<description>Timbatu posted this on ChinaDaily:
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On European Speech Freedom – let me give you a current example.

BBC has a blog on China. My following post word-by-word is banned:

“China is already MORE tolerant and accepting than the West. Yes, we do not like the last music record of that UK band. However, do you have access to any Chinese bands in the UK? Are there any Chinese music records that are popular in the UK? I once played for my British friends. They accused my music as communist-Xinhua whatever that means.”

I complained about the unfairness to BBC. I found out the result in September. I find out that I (Timbatu) has been banned from posting altogether.

Europe has a long way to go, before they will reach the level of tolerance and freedom of China.  

I would like to invite any Europeans here to have a discussion with me. 
I am open. I am free. Are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timbatu posted this on ChinaDaily:<br />
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On European Speech Freedom – let me give you a current example.</p>
<p>BBC has a blog on China. My following post word-by-word is banned:</p>
<p>“China is already MORE tolerant and accepting than the West. Yes, we do not like the last music record of that UK band. However, do you have access to any Chinese bands in the UK? Are there any Chinese music records that are popular in the UK? I once played for my British friends. They accused my music as communist-Xinhua whatever that means.”</p>
<p>I complained about the unfairness to BBC. I found out the result in September. I find out that I (Timbatu) has been banned from posting altogether.</p>
<p>Europe has a long way to go, before they will reach the level of tolerance and freedom of China.  </p>
<p>I would like to invite any Europeans here to have a discussion with me.<br />
I am open. I am free. Are you?</p>
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		<title>By: dyingpoet1989</title>
		<link>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>dyingpoet1989</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 04:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-633</guid>
		<description>Be tough, that is they are afraid of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be tough, that is they are afraid of.</p>
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		<title>By: 齐鲁青未了</title>
		<link>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>齐鲁青未了</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.zengjinyan.org/archives/223#comment-628</guid>
		<description>希望你们一家人早日团聚！心香祝祷。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>希望你们一家人早日团聚！心香祝祷。</p>
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